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AnonymousUser 17687 136 A Full line of Power either
A Full line of Power
Volvo BM series 1977

From left to right:

T814 Turbo 4WD 147 HP
T810 Turbo 147 HP
T800 115 HP
T700 Turbo 90 HP
T650 78 HP
T500 61 HP
T430 43 HP
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Awsome lineup!!!! The next years was even better,with the
new MFD tractors!!
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full line of power?????????
full line of old iron !!!!!!!!!
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You're right Woodbeef, if you compare this line-up with for
example the Ford 8600/9600 brochures posted today. De
volvo's and Ford are from the same time, but the design of a
Volvo is 10 years in front of that of the Ford.
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Volvo BM was not better than they disapered from the market.
They were not good enough. Every model were to heavy, and
the Volvo diesels were to thirsty. Nothing smokes like a
Volvo diesel.
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Hey Jonas,

Me thinks you,better bone up a tad bit on your tractor
history there. Volvo BM went on to be part of what is now
Valtra,one of if not the greatest tractor brands around. The
old Scantrac(VolvoBM & Valmet)design is still in production
to this day at VdB!!
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Hey Woodbeef

yes, you are right, Volvo BM became bought up of Valmet,
today Valtra. Volvo BM had to low profitability, they were
cheap to buy. I think the Volvo BM products were not
competitive enough to give profitability. The competitiors
had better stuff.

The tractor manufacturing fade away from Eskilstuna in
Sweden to Finland. The drab Volvo engines were not used in
the Valmet tractors, and no one was missing them.
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Hello Jonas,

Valmet did use volvo motors in its models! The Valmet 2600 (
made for african market ) and the Valmet 2005 and 2105 had
alle a differnt version of the volvo D60 engine. You say
volvo engine is bad. Give me some clear reasons instead of
just saying they are bad.
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Valmet didn't just buy up volvo. In 1979 they formed
SCANTRAC together. Together they made the volvo BM valmet 05
series. The technic-part was mostly done by valmet and
volvo-car designers designed it. In 1986 Volvo sold his
share in Scantrac because they wanted to go on with
construction equipment. It is the same reason as why they
sold Volvo cars to Ford Motor Company. Not because the cars
are bad but because they want to focus on just one or two (
trucks and construction equipment ) division in which they
can be good and earn a lot of money. Volvo saw in the
eighties that they would never be big tractorfactory and
earn a lot of money with, so they sold it.
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Hello Rob,

yes, it's correct that the Volvo D60 engine was used in some
Valmet models, before Valmet had developed own big engines.

The reasons that I dont like the Volvo engines are:

I have never seen a Volvo BM tractor without a cloud of
black diesel smoke, and I have seen at least some 10-12 in
action at different job and circumstance and self drove BM
650 and 641 with the D42 engine.

650 and espacilly 641 take a lots of diesel, compared with
for example IH 844. I have a friend with experience from BM
700, he shares my opinion.

A Volvo diesel needs engine pre-heater under -10 degrees if
you want to start it.

Otherwise the sound is good, but it does not help. The Volvo
diesels are not popular.

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Hello Jona,

Your right about fuel-consumption. I don't no if they use to
much because I have driven only our own volvo's ( 350, 814 )
and some modern tractors like Fendt 515 and Case Maxxum. So
I can not really compare these because there is at least 25
years between them. But apart from that I don't know any
problems with the volvo engines. What I know is that they
can keep up the revs very good. ( what's your opinion about
that? ) Sometimes I go with the volvo's to a old tractor
show and a lot of old farmers and old contractors who have
worked with these tractors in the past, come to me, and they
all say they liked the volvo's because they pulled well, had
a strong engine and the gear shifting was, for that time,
very good.
Nowadays the Valtra tractors here in Holland are popular not
because they are the most modern on the market, but because
they have a strong engine.
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Volvo BM didn't hang on with develompment and they took a
sound decision and left tractormaking - ok, I agree with
that part. But as for Volvo diesels smokey and thirsty, on
that part I absolutly disagree. The Volvo BM loader 641 as
all old BM loaders is extremly thirsty, thats correct but
that shouldn't be blamed on the engine, it's the converter
and driveline that is not effective. 650 has a ruomor as
thirsty but as I see it that has been caused as it was
bought by many farmers that beforhand had a much smaller
tractor. Sure the took more fuel than the older, smaller
tractor but compared in a more just way, per work done, they
probably was more economic. I have an old 650 myself that i
use for spraing and I don't think it use more fuel than it
should, neither it did in the days then I used it for harder
work. The motor in 650 was made by Volvo BM, as for the
bigger motors made by Volvo I say it is absolutly nonsens to
say that they are thirsty and smoke. On the contrary, Volvo
has made great efforts to make engines that are both clean
and have a low fuelconsumption. That isn't easy, you can
lower the fuelconsumption in an easy way but that causes
large NOx emmissions and if you try to lower NOx fuel
consumtion raises. I say Volvo is absolutly in the first
line as a enginemaker. It's a pity thea are not used in
tractors theese days (at lesst they are not common), the
part i liked best with the BM 800 and 2600 series was the
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Hello again

I agree with you there, that the Volvo diesels of today
keeps a very higher standard, than what they did earlier.

Volvo was forced into it, partly dependent on the demands of
the society, partly to have stuff that could compete with

Maybe you are right, concerning the loader BM 641. You have
to run up the engine into high revs when you drive, else
nothing happens. This increases the fuel consumption a lot.

It was lucky for Volvo that they woke up in time and
improved the loaders while there was time. Maybe they had
learnt from the mistakes with the tractors.
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Hey Guys,

I have a question about Volvo and their exit from the
ag-tractor business. Do you think Directive L 77 had
anything to do with Volvo's leaving?
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Is there somebody who has a testrapport or something about
the fuel consumption of tractors in the 70's. I would like
to know what the fuel consumption of a Volvo is compared to
its competitors of that time. Then we can see if the volvo
motors are really using to much fuel. I don't think they use
more than the other brands. that's about the tracors, I
don't know much of the loaders, I only know they are quit
good too, You see them a lot here in Holland.
Does somebody of yours, have some pictures of volvo tractors
at work? Not the pictures out of the brochures, but pictures
made in your own neighbourhood at farmers.
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Woodbeef, what do you mean with directive L 77?
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I think this is an interesting discussion.
Every construction has of course both benefits and
disadvantages, in different ways. Nothing is neither black
or white.The Volvo diesels are good in that way they have a
strong range at high revs, this is a benefit for example at
Tractor pulling.

The question is, how useful is this characteristic at normal
driving in the soil, with a chaff-mashine or transport
driving? Or at other conditions? I think it's individual
from driver to driver, but what do you say, guys?

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Hello Jonas,

I think the positive thing of being strong at high revs is
for transport work, especially when you have shift gears. On
the field it can be usefull too when you are for example
driving with a full silage tipper on the field. Ofcourse you
always have to put good tires on the tractor, so the tractor
won't start spinning. I don't think there is a big
disadvantage of the engine being strong at high revs, maybe
someone else can say something about that.
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Volvo Directive L77 was in my estimation the death knell for
Volvo BM tractors!!

It stated that tractors below the 650 size would use
non-Volvo engines and transmissions sourced from Perkins for
engines,and drivetrains from IH. About the only thing Volvo
on them were the sheetmetal and cabs!
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You're right Woodbeef, that wasn't a good move of Volvo BM
In the T500 and 2200 series they put three bad things
together. Perkins engine was bad
IH-transmission was bad
And the own Volvo cab of the 650/700 was bad
too because it was to rusty.
Didn't they even had an agreement with IHC that IHC would
develope the tractors below 100 HP and Volvo would develope
the tractors over 100 HP? This plan didn't work because
Volvo made Scantrac with Valmet.
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I don't think the directive L77 upseted Volvo BM's tractor
manufacturing.Quite the reverse, the Perkins engines are
known for their durability and runnability. Thanks to a
long-stroke construction, of the engine in BM 500 and
2000-series, it has a very good base power which is very

Otherwise there are not much positive to say about BM
500-2200-series, that's true.

The front axis on the 4wd models is feeble, it's not a good
idea with a front loader on such a tractor.

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I think everything would have gone much better when they
just had developed a three-cilinder version of the d42 ( 650
) engine for the T500 and 2200 series. As you say Jonas, the
Perkins may be a good engine, but volvo drivers trust a
volvo engine more. A small volvo engine in combination with
the strong transmission of the 650 and a cab developed by
Hara ( like the 800 and 2600 series ) would have got more
succes. Jonas, do you know who manufactored the 4wd axles of
the 2200 series?
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A Japanese company called Kimco can be blamed for those junk
mfd axles. Kimco was a joint venture between IH and Komatsu.
The axles were so bad,even IH went back to outsourcing
instead of using them for the later 84 series on.
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Volvo BM was a very prestigious tractor manufacturer in its
day. They helped to build what is today's Valtra the fifth
largest full size tractor manufacturer in the world!!
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Well its fun to read what you all think of Volvo BM. My own
experiences from the 70´s are exactly what Jonas thinks:
heavy and thirsty. I compare the the 650 and 700 to Ford
5000 and 7000. The hp are almoste the same but some
difference in torque (better on Ford) and the Volvo weigh a
lot more If I remember right I think Ford 5000 weighs about
3.2 tons and the VMB wighs over 3,8 tons. Fuelconsumption on
these are almost 50% higher on the Volvo 650. Even the Volvo
700´s fuel consumption were 10% higher than a JD 3130

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