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farmer protest
farmers protest in zagreb (croatian capital)
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frabne, what was the protest in support of?
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the government wasn't pay subvention in deadline
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the last
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Always nice to see farmers protesting for money from the government with their latemodel tractors. ;-) Which are worth quite a bit. I hope not too many people know the price tag on those. Does not help with public support.

Not meant as a personal attack. I can see the reasons behind such a protest.

What kind of payments do you get from the government?
Is there plans to join the EU in your country? Do you therefore try to get something similar to our direct payments?

Martin
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Sorry double posted again. One day I will learn to only click once. :-[ Martin
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Hey, prices of tractors are what they are... We rely on the government to give us subventions on time, so we could pay our tractor rates, because we used up all of our monoey for seeding material (the government gives subventions very late; after seeding)... So we don't have the money to pay out our new tractors...

There are plans to enter the EU, but we're (farmers) mostly against it because it will be tougher than it is now...

Talking about tractors, do you expect we work with 30+year old machinery, until we die or get seriously ill. We could freeze to death when working in cold contitions, or even worse, when we try to fix the tractor that can't go a day without a malfunction...

Farmers need bigger, more powerful tractors, if they want to enter the EU prepared, because small farms will go bankrupt, and we all know it... And big farms cannot work with small tractors...

I hope you now understand...
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Hi Bobo

sorry to offend you. I did not mean to say, you should not have these new tractors. All I wanted to say is, If somebody with no farming backround knew those new claas cost lets say 80000€ it becomes hard to understand why farmers need more money. There are reasons for that of course as you point out. But the man on the street won't stand to listen to all that. He sees: dozens of big machines worth a big pile of money and the farmers want still more. That's where I see a danger.
So again. I can understand why you protest. I just wanted to point out an observsation.

Don't fear the EU. Ask some people from the new members states like Poland. From what I heard they are quite happy with the new system. Of course some changes will be neccessary. And some will lose, of course. But over all I think it has positive affects for both sides. German farmers were very much afraid of the new competetion. But now they find it better than before.

Martin
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Ok, apologee accepted...

Ok, let's look at it this way, I think people must drive their new machinery to similar protests, because it's not about the people on the street, but the lies the government tells us. They told on number of occasions that farmers could buy new machinery, that subventions will come in seeding time, but all lies...

When election time comes, it's promises, promises, but after elections, nothing happends, not one thing of many...

In Croatia there is much corruption, so farmers can't do a thing...

Example, few years back, farmers occupied the croatian "autobahn" (lack of better word) and they stated that they won't move until subventions are paid in full. They were there one day, night, and other day, nobody was there... They dissapearred in the night! Somebody came and frightened/threatened them, so they had to leave or who knows what would happen to them... This is why I never go to those protests...


Croatia is a rotten country, and EU will crush little farmers like ants, and only ones big enough to pay somebody to look through their fingers will "survive"... I think that only when old, corrupt people move from the government, that Croatia will be a better place to live in, not sooner... Our government officials import/export goods through their own firms, that they can earn more money for themselves, and there is very little competition...

I hope you now see what we have to cope with...
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That must be a difficult situation to deal with Bobo.

I guess all that anyone can do is have a long memory, so that the politicians that let you down last time can be voted out, to give the others a chance to show you waht they can do.

If they let you down in turn, then you are really in a no win situation unfortunately :-\
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What I'm about to write here will explain the situation at it's worst...

A guy near my town is planting tobacco (virginia type) and he plants 50 hectares every year, he has new machinery, new cars, big house etc, etc...

When planting time comes, he must pay everything from his pocket, and even take a loan at the bank to have enough to pay for planting expenses,ant to pay off the people that picked the tobacco. Until subventions come, People from electric company come to turn off his electric power, and he has to go and beg them not to do so, because subventions will eventually come, and when they do, he returns his loans, pays all overdue bills, and has plenty money left. And every year the same story. I don't know how he finds the nervs for that kind of situation...

When we enter the EU, situation for him will be extra good, because, I think subventions won't be late any more, but his problem is that he is planting tobacco. I heard that in EU countries there is some special tax for tobacco planters, because tobacco "poisons" the land too much... I even think nobody in Austria is planting any more...

I plant tobacco, also (Berley kind) and with mine 1.5 hectares (only 4 people work in tobacco) it's a nice amount of money over here... I'm only affraid that EU will prohibit tobaco planting...

With this kind of situation, people can't sit at home and wait... Something must be done, but nobody gives a damn about croatian farmers...

Example: In normal countries, the selling price of wheat is known before seeding, so people can make calculations if it will be good for them or not that year. In Croatia people cut the wheat and don't know the price at what they will sell it... A shame, if you ask me... And when they give you a price under minimum, people can't do annything about it, because they turned in their yields and waiting for any kind of money...

This makes people think a bit, doesn't it?
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Very well written Bob, an excellent post.

It makes those of us in this part of the world (Australia) realise just how lucky we are. Our farmers dont get any subsidies at all but dont have to contend with issues like you outline above.

I guess there are winners & losers in things like entering the EU (as there are in alot of agricultural politics & policies) Bobo, however I cant really comment because I am not totally aware of the politics that exist in that part of the world.

Once again, well done on such a well written post :-)
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Thank you TC...
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Hi guys, why you don't tell about politicians who have
expencive cars like BMW,mercedes etc and talk about
new tractors which are useful for farmers to have better
conditions at work?Greek farmers have many problems
from the goverment too :-(
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What knd of problems do you have?

Our politicians are playing such games with us, it's a shame to even talk about it...
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I guess that is the story of politicians the world over Nikolop & Bobo, they are all in it for themselves, unfortunately :-\
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As the new year came, they don't want to collect milk if you can't have milk every single day of the year. So you must have a minimum of 4 cows, or even more, which small farmers (croatia is full of them) can't have any income from milking cows if they have one of two cows.

Theese small farms are mostly run by a small family (father, mother and children) and they can only have a max of 5 cows, because there is no land to work. Cows demand to be fed every day, and you need land to plant corn, wheat and grass, or have a lot of money and buy feed for thoose animals, which is out of the question over here...

Young people don't have steady work places, old workers will die before they can retire, and this is all the sad truth. People can't turn to farming, because there is no money to start with. You can't get a bank loan, because you don't have a steady job. This makes people think even more...

Recently, some farmers from austria came to croatia to see the croatian milk farming. They asked why do you complain? You have doubble the price of the milk we have, and you're not happy?!? Then we think how do they have all new machines, new barns, a lot of cows, and have money for living with less money for a litre of milk than we do?

The state takes a lot of money from agriculture, and there is nothing to do about it... I think entering the EU will come to stop of that, but we're allready used to bad conditions, so the EU can't surprise us that much...

All in all it will get worse over time, but politicians don't care about it, because they import what they will eat, and export our goods to other countries...

Take Hungary for a good example. We import wheat from them a lot, and export our wheat (i don't know where)... Why do we do such silly things? Is our wheat bad? Does it stink? NO! The politicians explain this situation as "maintaining good international conditions"... (Yeah, right!) There are other means of maintaining good international bonds, which do not go over the farmer's back!

All the best from Croatia!
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Bobo, that sounds a little bit like the uk:-[ Here the grants ("subventions" you call it) also arrive late, normaly 3-4 months later than government date.

Anyway, Here milk is 16p/litre (i think) But some farmers have 900+ cows. And That is the problem over here- As the prices fall, the farmer grows bigger with more Acres or cows until there is too much milk (or wheat ect..) so the price falls again, Then He grows even bigger.
That is the problem- There is too big a choice for the consumer so he buys the cheapest:-\

I think there are too much farmers in the uk. When farming in the uk was very good everybody started farming, And thats when the prices started to fall also.
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If a farmer in croatia has 100+ cows, he's THE MAN!

900+ cows is madness! Paint me red... ;-)

Who milks all thoose cows for the love of god?!?

I never saw over 100 cows in one place in my life, let alone 900...

I'm speechless right now...
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I know! They dont go outside because by the time the last cows walk to the field it is time for the first cows to milk again! I think he has 3 milking parlours that hold (i think) 18 cows, there are some guys that milk them everyday and some from the city ect.. that just want money. It is big operation! Then 2 miles away there is another guy that has 600 cows. And lots of smaller farmers that have 100 cows ect.. It is nice to see so many cows But It is just too much milk.
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