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Nyhof Canada 376263 382 Cutting hay 2002 either
Cutting hay 2002
This is an 8970 with a 15 foot discbine Newholland 1441
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here is a pic of the other 8970 with a 16 foot 1475 Newholland haybine
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another view
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This is our Ford Newholland 9030 with a 16 foot hay header and crimper
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nice alfa alfa
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nice pictures :-) how long do you wait to ensile?
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Very nice pictures :-)
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Tom: we usually wait two days for silage and about a week for dry hay. But we did notice that the discbine swaths dry much faster than the haybine swaths. We have decided to trade the haybine off to a Kuhn triple set mower and the Bi-directional has been gone for a year, it was just to slow.
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Nice pics, nice equipment. Do you still have the Genesis(s)? I looked at an 8970 with Quicke loader this summer, nice tractors. Liked it so much I considered a Buhler, which has a few very nice improvements to the Genesis, including the loader joystick being built in.

Did you consider a TV145 when trading the 9030? We have one, but haven't used it for mowing hay yet. Actually that's a lie, I ran the neighbor's pull-type discbine on it for a few days, but never put a front-mounted discbine on it. Which is bemusing, since that is one of the reason's we purchased it in the first place. Most of our feed is cut with a Hesston self propelled mower.

What will you run the triple mower on?

And one last thing... how do you like your bale processor? Have you tried a Highline 8000, particularly with the Feed Chopper?
-Josh
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Josh: We traded off the 8970 with the loader to a fendt 714 last spring. We considered the buhler also but we went with fendt for the speed and service plan. We decided to get a telehandler instead of the TV145 because it handles more weight and is much more agile. The TV is so much bigger than the 9030. We are gonna run the triple mowers on a fendt 930. And lastly we bought the bale king over highline because we thought it was more heavy duty and it had the largest tires at the time.
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Wow, very big difference between a Buhler and a Fendt! How do you like it so far? I imagine quite a bit if you're getting a 930 as well... I wasn't overly impressed with the them, I'll admit they seem to be of good quality and have a possibly superior transmission, but find the cabs to be quite lacking. Went for a new 7030 Deere instead, but the Fendt dealer should be bringing out either a 700 or 800 when the new series arrives in June.

I'll agree the LM-A is more agile and has more capacity than the TV145, we even considered one too. But our farm isn't big enough to have more than one dedicated loader, the TV's spent a lot of time on the bale processor since we got it, a tele couldn't do that. Yes, it's far bigger than the 9030, I've run two of those, but it's far more capable too. I'd probably do it over again the same way, I'd just have done it better, bigger Michelin tires, 3pt on both ends, etc.

As for the bale processor... I'm speechless. Surely you must be talking about the Highline 7000, right? I don't have weights in front of me, but I'd have to say I think the 8000 is heavier duty than the Bale King. Bale King has a couple bars for the front guard, loose material can still come out, the Highline has mesh on top of the frame, work lights, big tires like the Bale King, adjustable forks, heavier fork system, physically just a heavier duty unit, built in twine cutter (improved over 7000), larger discharge throat, adjustable axle width - very stable, I should stop talking. :-[

However, especially for a dairy operation, I would have thought the 8000 would be perfect. The feed chopper finishes the feed identical to loose silage from a TMR, and the grain tank integrates the grain & supplements directly into the feed, as opposed to just pouring on top of the windrow afterwards. Downside to this though, not sure how well it would work for just pouring it on the ground separately, like shown in one of your pictures.

If you are comparing it to a Highline 7000, I'll back you up all the way, but when it comes time to upgrading that processor, I think you should definitely give the 8000 a real close(r) look. Contact Highline even, get them to send Dale out, he runs all over the country to demo them. I was considering switching to a vertical mixer before he showed me the Feed Chopper and new grain system. One of my neighbors feeds with a TMR, he had a Highline 6600, traded it on a Bale King, and now after seeing our 8000 is going to trade in his Bale King on the Highline.

I'm not trying to be a salesman here, and I'm not gonna tell you what to buy, just telling you what I've gathered. I looked at a Bale King too, looked at a few different brands. One of the nice things the Degelman's got is the X-rotor, but I still don't like having to sit in there sucking in all that dust and smoke cutting it off with an element.

You may have seen my thread from December, if not, the picture shows our TM and TV on the 7000 and 8000 Highlines.
-Josh
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Josh: we really love the fendt, we dont do our own service so the service plan really suits our farm!

Our first telehandler did a lot of TMR mixing but now we switched to hay bales and now it does mainly wrapping, stacking bales, and manure scraping and loading in winter. We liked the first one so we traded it off to a new one. We didnt really need a tractor to do field work so it was a great option.

yeah the bale chopper was already two winters ago now, we bought the green bale king that time so it must have been a 7000 we looked at. Now we really liked the way it worked so we bought the second bale king, or degelman. I havent seen the 8000 in person yet but i'm sure we will consider it next time. The x rotor is a great improvement, our green one started off with the regular one but we got it uprgraded to the x rotor after having many problems with silage bales. Now the machine is pretty much perfect.
Where do you farm josh?
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Nyhof, do you mean repair work or just simple maintenance? How far away is your dealer?

Do you mean loading the TMR, or actually running the mixer?
I know what you mean, our TV145 does the same jobs your LM-A does, on top of running the processor. Having a loader-less tractor around our yard is pretty useless, so is having a PTO-less loader.

What types of problems were you having with silage bales before the X-rotor? They seem to be a good idea. I never had problems with the rotors on my 6600 or 7000, but apparently there were a few as they increased the diameter of it, and reduced the size of the flales on the new model. Our 7000 survived 6 winters before having its first problem, then the silage took it's toll. Broke both rams and a bracket on the forks, an adjustment bracket for one of the drums, and then axle problems twice in a matter of months. After those major wear points were replaced, no problems since.

No problems with the 8000 yet, and I don't expect any for a very long time, the 7000 was the only model available back then, and was a medium-duty machine designed for hay and straw only, couldn't stand the abuse of thousands of ~2,000lb silage bales each year for so long. Now they've got two models, a small 4065 for ~50 PTO-Hp tractors, and the heavy duty 8000 built for silage, requires ~120 PTO Hp.

Glad to hear you're happy with it now, it's crucial that feeding equipment doesn't break down.

We farm in Central Alberta, just north of Edmonton. We're a small beef operation, only calve out about 125 calves annually, plus heifers and unbred cows. You're just south of Winnipeg?

-Josh
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Josh: When we buy a Fendt brand new it is covered for warranty and all the servicing for 3 years. If anything breaks it is covered, and also labour and oil and filters till the warranty is up. The dealer is about an hour away but trucking is free to so we dont have to worry about service. Once 3 years is up we will definately consider trading them off.

Our first bale king had an issue with the silage bales because the flails slapped back onto the rotor causing the mounts and bushings to wear out. The x-rotor has no issue at all and taking twine off is so much easier. Yes were about 10 minutes south of the city
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Interesting... I didn't know Fendt offered such a package. Perhaps they believe that this way they will ensure the tractor is better maintained, and in essense cut down on warranty claims. Not to mention the fewer problems an owner has with a tractor, the less likely he is to go to another brand.

I don't know how much that would appeal to me though, we have a heated shop, and we have to service the bale processor and other equipment anyways, for the amount of time I would be without it due to it leaving the farm for service, I'd often just as soon do it myself.

Interesting about the X-rotor... the Highline would break flales, which is why they changed the drum size and flale length ratio, but that was a simple fix. The only thing I wondered about the X-rotor, is I wondered how balanced it was. Spinning at over 1,000 rpm, it needs to be balanced otherwise it will throw the whole thing off. I'm trying to remember if the neighbor has it, I thought he did, but he only puts straw through it as he didn't like it for feeding, so uses the TMR instead.

I have relatives that live in Winnipeg.
-Josh
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Are there any websites, maybe of the manufacturers of those bale processors, where I can learn more about those machines. I´d like to see them in detail.
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Einascher:
http://www.degelman.com/Products/baleprocessor/bp.html
http://www.highlinemfg.com/

Josh: I was wondering about the new highline model 7120 for processing two bales. I dont think they make it with a grain tank but it would be interesting to see it work. Not sure if silage bales would be recomended for this machine.
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I dont like the look of the wheels on both machines, they look way too small for the size of the machines (may result in flotation problems & insufficient load carrying capacity). What have you guys found, in regards to this?

Cheers,

TC.
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Tas, you still think these tires look small? However your thoughts aren't that far off. We had small tires on our 7000 and we had axle problems, broke two spindles on it for those exact reasons you mentioned. I don't know about Nyhof, but our Highline 8000 looks to have the exact same tires as him, and the new axle is really beefed up.

Einachser: Nyhof posted the two same links I'd have given you. Haven't been to the Degelman site for a bit, not sure if they have videos or not?

Nyhof, I've been wondering the same thing. Never looked heavily into one as they require over 140 PTO-Hp, but the 7630 now has that much. I like the tandem axle, and the ability to feed 2 rounds at a time or large squares, however I don't believe they could cope with silage bales. Look at the arc of how far the front bale (second bale on the forks) would travel, the momentum it would have to come crashing into that tub. Would be hard on both implement hitch and tractor draw bar.

As well, it is still a 7000 series design, not heavy enough for the abuse of silage, although it does have a 1/2-way better fork design. Not only that, but consider that now the rotor, and twin drums are now twice as long but without support in the center?

On top of that, I'm not exactly sure what the benefit of it is besides having to make fewer trips back for bales. Back during that drought in 2001 where it was costing up to $150 a bale, we were putting out a bale of high-quality straw, and then go back and put a bale of hay on top. We were thinking we could put the combination in at the same time, with the straw in the first section and hay in the second section. However, a new machine wasn't at the top of list of things to buy during that drought, especially not one that needed another tractor to replace a 1-year old combination.

I was actually thinking about it yesterday when I was digging through some Highline stuff I have, and although I would be very interested in seeing one in person and perhaps trying one, I don't think I would be very serious at buying one, especially not unless they upgrade it to an 8120. Was thinking it might be good for the neighbor though, he has a 4955, 7820, and 7920, all of which could handle it, and he only blows straw out with his. Feeding over 500 head, having the ability to take 6, 6-foot round bales of straw would make it more appealing. I wonder if it's difficult to back up being so long and being tandem axle?

Being simply two 7000 tubs on an extended 7000 frame, I would say it is possible to get it with the grain tank, but probably with only the same capacity as the 7000, which also had an auger that put the grain out on top of the windrow afterwards.

I think I've only ever seen 2 pictures of it in total?
-Josh
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Tas --- Small tire off the 7000 on the left, new one on the right on the 8000. Big difference! :-)

-Josh
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Those tyres look a bit more like it Josh, the ones on the websites look pretty small.

This is an example of the bale feeders we use here in Australia;

http://www.knuckeys.com.au/

Scroll down & click on round bale feeders,

Cheers,

TC
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What happens to the net (twine you called it, right?), when you process a bale with this machine?
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Many thanks for the links, btw.:-)
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On the feeders we use here the net or twine is cut before the feeding process begins ( the bale is sitting on the feeding table but the strings are cut & they are removed or the net wrap is removed, all before the bale is fed out).

Not sure what the process is with those American / Canadian feeders.
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Einascher: the twine gets cut by the flails and wraps around the rotor, depending on how many bales you process, you need to take it off every two weeks about (on our farm) Right now we put through about 30 bales a day and it lasts about two weeks.

here is some more links
http://www.westwardproducts.com/bale_processors.htm
http://www.haybuster.com/hb/haybuster.htm
http://ag.brandt.ca/products.php?f_action=prod_detail&f_product_id=2
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