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ivicam 433433 138 wolf barn either
wolf barn
barn for 160 cow
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nice vey wolf barn;-)
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Nice photos Ivica.

Although I wonder how efficient the ventilation system is in your barn?

What type of cow mattress did you use for the stalls?

No offense intended, but frankly I am puzzled why somebody would build a barn like this one in 2007.

How much do guys get for your milk in your country?

How much milk on a 365 days basis do you get out of those Holsteins?
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Nice pictures, ivica.
Is there a special reason, why you get so many pictures of new barns?

@Nothing Runs Like A Deere: I am aware, that this is probably not a state-of-the-art-cow barn, especially not for warm countries.
Still I am curious what you would consider to be ideal.
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Nothing runs like a John Deere, I am puzzled why you would wonder why someone would build a barn like this in 2007? Maybe I miss something,but I see nothing wrong.

Roy Chapin
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Nice photos, an interesting thread ;-)
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Einachser I just feel that this barn doesn’t have a very good ventilation system and doesn’t offer much comfort for dairy cows. I don’t think that there is much air movement, on the cow’s level in this barn.

The sides should be wide open in the summer even in colder climates, and I would imagine that even in Croatia the daily temperatures must pass the 20 degrees Celsius mark. If its 20 degrees Celsius outside you can rest assure that the temperature inside of this barn will be well above 20 degrees Celsius.

I just verified through weather.com’s website and the temperature in some major Croatia cities today is above 25 degrees Celsius. I understand that out in the country, the temperature must be somewhat lower.

What about insulation? I don't see much used in this barn. As everybody knows insulation helps to keep the cold and heat out in any type of building.

Maybe this farmer has the cows on pasture in the summer, I would certainly hope so. With a 25 degrees Celsius outside temperature and no fans and no real side openings, the poor cows must be sweating like pigs.

http://www.weather.com/common/drilldown/HR.html?from=search

Einachser I will try to post some photos of barns later on, that I believe are more cow friendly.

Tony
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Nothing Runs Like A Deere wrote:
Nice photos Ivica.

Although I wonder how efficient the ventilation system is in your barn.


Tony,
i think this barn wont be to hot even when it gets 30°C,cause the walls let air in and the roof top in the middle (not fully open but got some gaps between roof and clear area) let the hot out.
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in my area there aren't cowsheds with isolation or fans.
Mostly there are two types: a regular shed were the two sides have an open piece of about a meter that can be closed and a open top, and an open-front shed(as we call it) were one side is the same as the oother type and the other side is fully open and no open top.
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jdeere wrote:
Nothing Runs Like A Deere wrote:
Nice photos Ivica.

Although I wonder how efficient the ventilation system is in your barn.


Tony,
i think this barn wont be to hot even when it gets 30°C,cause the walls let air in and the roof top in the middle (not fully open but got some gaps between roof and clear area) let the hot out.




Jdeere I have to disagree with you, it’s easy to see that this barn has bad ventilation. Just look at how many cows try to be close to the open doors. The small openings in the barn, is not enough airflow to ventilate this barn in the summer time. At least they should add a few fans.

Also this barn doesn’t seem to have much insulation, therefore harder to keep cooler in the summer. You also have to remember 160 cows ruminating in any barn creates a lot of heat.

Believe me if it's 30 degrees Celsius outdoor, those poor cows will be pumping like crazy inside.
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i don't know why, but there are also several cows lying on the ground (not in the boxes but on the concrete floor with gaps ( rooster in dutch, don't know in englisch)
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Hi Nothing Runs Like A Deere

the barns we see here are sure different to what you see over there and posted in the other thread. I'm sure the cows would like some more ventilation in the wolf barn.
But you have to see where we're coming from. 25 years ago most barns at least in Germany were built as a fully insulated barn. IE. the temperature would be well above freezing even in the winter. Talk about lack of fresh air then. Then people started building barns which temperatures rose and fell with outside temperatures. But still very little ventilation.
Maybe 10 years ago the first ones with open sides started appearing. Fans were only seen maybe in the last five years. Our concerns were mostly with keeping cows warm in the winter not cool in the summer. Mindsets like that are slow to change. Just give us some time ;-)
Don't know much about Croatia but I imagine it to be somewhat similar.

What do you think of this? This is a system popular fpr smaller farms which want to upgrade to freestalls from tiestalls. How do you judge ventilation in there. There is a lot of air movement, IMO. But the sun heats up both the low roofs and the air at cow level. What do you think?

Martin
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Einachser wrote:
Nice pictures, ivica.
Is there a special reason, why you get so many pictures of new barns?

@Nothing Runs Like A Deere: I am aware, that this is probably not a state-of-the-art-cow barn, especially not for warm countries.
Still I am curious what you would consider to be ideal.


i will answer on your first question, but you can see the same answer in some other ivica post, ivica is my nephew and they will build new barn for 40 caw's (next week they start) so they (ivica and his father - my brother) was going to see some other farmers experience with builders and different type of barn. in croatia two type off barn in majority is haas and wolf barns (and it's variations off some croatian company's).

and answer to Nothing Runs Like A Deere this all barns have natural air circuit, because the boards wasn't fixed close each other and the center off the roof is a is a few inches higher so the hot goes out there.
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these cows must be new to a free stall barn,so they settle where ever they are.
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Martin,

Interesting but like you mentioned the roofs are somehow low, and the bottom part of the walls can't be opened. Michael from Belgium posted an very interesting photo of a new barn today.

I found a very interesting website

http://www.primebldg.com/Prime_freestalls.htm and the Hoard's Dairyman's website might also have some interesting barn plans.

https://www.hoards.com/webstore.asp

Tony
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