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MT 575 B (whats underneath?)
whats this actually??
a Fendt rearend with a diff.cab,cat(perkins) engine and MF bonnet?
or just more or less a yellow MF,similar to the orange AGCO?
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what i found out so far,the smaller three model carry a Caterpillar engine,the bigger three a Challenger engine?? :-[
whats the difference?
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I think this is MF (or Agco) tractors painted in yellow with some modifications.

The different transmissions is from MF - Autopower on Challenger = Dyna6 on MF, Tech Star CVT on Challenger = Dyna VT on MF (same mech as Fendt but different control and operation)

As Cat now ownes Perkins they just rename the smaller engines (like on our CAT telehandler) on the smaller models.

As the bigger MF's got Sisu engines, and SISU are owned by Agco, they rename this to Challenger.
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okay,i see
i knew that about the renamed Perkins engines.
but about the rearend,i read somewhere the are Fendt's from the flywheel back. :-\
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MF tractors equipped with Dyna VT-transmissions, i.e. 74xx and 84xx, have their rear ends from Fendt, but operation of the transmission and hydraulics is different, not so sophisticated on the MF's. If you look at Challengers homepage and the page about MT 600's transmission; http://www.challenger-ag.com/agco/Challenger/ChallengerNA/WheeledTractors/MT600BFeatures/MT600Transmission.htm you can see the similarity to MF in operation.
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okay,dident know MF had Fendt rearends. :-\
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its a challanger:-\
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Thank God they have Fendt rearends;-)
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Unfortunatelly, they have flimsy and rare Fendt rearends.

Jdeere, Challenger MT 500 are more or less like mf 6400 (perkins,dyna6, gima rear end) or mf 7400 if they are equipped with the tech star transimission (perkins,dyna-vt(fendt), fendt rear end).
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oh,i see :-\
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Luisito wrote:
Unfortunatelly, they have flimsy and rare Fendt rearends.

What do you mean with flimsy?
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A friend of mine who works in a MF dealership told me that MF tractors are sharing some Fendt parts like hydraulic system for example. Don´t be surprised if Challenger does the same thing (cause they have the same chassis as MF, different colors and systems)
Victor
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Schizo, i want say that fendt rear end, and, therefore, MF 7400 rear end seems more fragile or breakable than the Gima that are mounted in the 6400 tractors....yes, i know that lift capacity figures are slightly higher in 7400 models but if you have seen a 6485 next to a 7485 you know what i´m saying. I know various cases of 716 with the upper axle of the arms broken or twisted due to these strange way of working that have the horizontal cylinders...if you want to raise something i believe that is better applying a vertical force than a moment..
I love 7400 tractors as far as the vario tranny ends and starts the rear axle and linkage.
Sorry schizo, my english is not very good. :-[
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Well first thing I heard about that Luisito. I don't think it shouldn't matter if the cylinders are horizontal or vertical. It's always a moment... pulling or pushing;-) Don't know why they have put the cylinders horizontally. Maybe an overal better liftcapacity? dunno. But I'm sure Fendt will have their reasons. And it is always so that with Fendt the rear seems lighter built because Fendt and ZF are one of the few who mount the linkage as far forward as they can. Also with previous series of fendt you can see this (300, 500, 600, 800,....) And Fendt is never heavy built in linkage, hitch etc. But normally it hardly wears out because of the use of good materials.
But I agree, it's a bit of an awkward way of linkage:-P
Edit: I got to admit, I once saw an 824 with one new upper arm on the upper axle who was used in forestry. But they had vertical cylinders as I can remember.:-[
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Now this system seems a bit rare but isn´t new, old tractors had a single horizontal cylinder but it was internal... It´s clear that there is no accounting for tastes i think that fendt tractors are superb for mowing, baling, transport etc but I don´t like it for ploughing or other heavy tasks (of course,excluding 900 and previous 500,600,800...series).
I believe that their prices are not justificated neither in reliability nor in field performance but are good tractors.
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Now, with that I disaggree. I find them very strong in the fields. Our 400 vario weighs even more then our JD 6300. Has a lot more EHR capacity and better overal traction with frontloader.
And it's a higly economical tractor on fuel.
It is indeed so that in generally a Fendt is more expensive. (not if you compare it to other cvt's with the same options)
But only the first fendt costs more;-)
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400 vario are very special tractors...few manufacturers offer a cvt transmission and that level of equipment in this power bracket, they are compact but very robust due to the steel casting chassis, I think they are excellent all rounders but i was talking mainly of 700 and 800 series, that, as you have say, not are expensive compared with NH tvt, JD 7000 Autopowr etc...
Here in my town a neighbour has a 716 and a 7710Autopowr, he says that the Deere is significantly thirstier, but when pulling a 5f plough in a heavy clay or a 13 tine chisel plough, is more powerful.In the other way, he says that the Fendt is unbeatable when drilling, hauling etc due to his maneouvrability, confort and economy ;-) and, at the moment the Fend is being less problematic. :-)
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What Farmer do you have?
Do you have a Fendt loader? I´ve heard that they are good and surpisingly cheap :-)
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We have a 410. sadly with Quicke loader:-( We wanted a Fendt loader but we didn't bought the 410 new (had 700 hours) and it came with a Quicke loader. The visibility is better on a Fendt loader I find. And indeed a Fendt loader cost around 7000 euro's and other loaders also something like that, but the difference is that you don't have to make costs to adjust your tractor to the loader... and that's something you have to do with a quicke, stoll, ... Before the 410 we had a JD 6300. We also have another JD 7600 and Fendt 514C. Indeed the JD is way more thirstie. We don't really feel a difference in traction between both... But the Fendt has more need and advantage of his 4WD then the JD. With the JD you can pretty drive just as good without 4WD as with it. But indeed the 800 series is a compact high power tractor which makes if very light, maybe better for countries with wetter soil etc., but that makes that he has troubles putting his power on the ground in harder soil.:-\ So indeed, if you really want traction in the higher power class you need a 900 series.(or weights in the 800's wheel may be cheaper:-P) The 700 will normally be ok because it weighs more as a 500 and weighs the same as the 600 series.
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http://www.farmphoto.com/fpv2/message.aspx?mid=429447#429447 here you can see most of them.
Our dealer sells MF and Fendt. He says MF made some bad models end of the 80's but that nowadays they are back alive and kicking. I for myself don't really know. Never seen much MF around here:-[, just like Fendt for that matter. A lot of older Inters, and nowadays JD and NH
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First models of MF 3600 series was ahead of his time but i don´t know anything bad about his reliability. We have a 3125 (126 hp) of 1994 with 10500hr and i think that it´s the best tractor we have ever had. I believe that the worst models of MF are the 6100 and 8100 series...their transmission problems are well known, including our 8160 :-(
I hope that your dealer be right because we are going to buy a new 6497 this summer or maybe next summer.
Here in my zone there are a lot of Deers but many MFs and NHs also, and nowadays some Fendts. ;-)

Greetings from Spain. :-)
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I didn't knew what type he meant. I'm not familiar with MF types:-[ I think MF is a very good tractor, at least among the better makes. Hope the new series are just as good or better then the ones now. Just like with fendt.

And a good day from Belgium:-P
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