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Fp isn't nowadays what it used to be.

there is everywhere fight, about what? a picture which stand a weak before on the net?

Please putt al your rubbish in this threat and let the forum alone, I personally don't like the site anymore. I think more an more people are leaving the site.

At first I find it a interesting site but now,

please give me a peer review, give me 20, I don't read it anymore

you IDIOTS!!!!
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Hi Nald. I think there are many members feeling the same way who just want to shout out their anger about this childish provoking and struggling.
Always when you think it calms down someone can't leave it alone and starts again with some needless comment.
I don't like the site any more either but I still hope it will turn out well if everybody buttons up his lips in case of doubt instead of always saying what's in his mind.
As long as the situation is in such a way hypersensitive anyone should care about what he's saying.

I have a suggestion.
As most of the fights are held in the Peer reviews - Why not making the peer reviewers public? Perhaps the situation calms down when members can't hide behind anonymity any more?
If this doesn't work or is not desired I would abolish the PR system as this is not holding FP clean but it's the biggest source of pollution here on FP.
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That won't change a thing and probably make the situation even worse MB 1800 IMO.
Then people will pick on eachother and fighting so won't solve anything.

The glory days when Farmphoto was a one-of-its-kind website are long gone. You are relitivly new users being from 2006 and 2007 but the old ones such as Mathieu, Johan and Wouter for example know how it 'used to be'. Of course there were plenty of fights back then but much more fun I have to say :-P.

That was before Turkey and Poland became members of the EU ;-).
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I feel the pain :-\

The peer reviews have not been used responsibly. but I have also not backed up my threats to punish those who have abused them. I am thinking of the following idea.

1) Clear all current reviews.
2) Make the peer review authors visible.
3) Restrict the use of peer reviews for purposes of hiding offensive material only (pornography, obscene language)
4) Institute clear repercussions for abuse of the system.

Thoughts?
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Hi Stu I never posted till a couple of years ago.
Yet I have been following FP since your early days, late 2000 I believe.
You have had your ups and down with the petty little bickering off and on all these years.
I don’t see the current situation as any different.

I started using a translator a year or two ago to see what I was missing, petty nonsense was most of it, so I went back to looking at the pictures.
I agree the peer review has just been a way for many to get there revenge on others.

In my opinion Taz Cowboy has been one of your greatest assets; he has been polite to those who are polite and has called out those who act like misbehaving little children.

I am surprised there are not more arguments considering how many different people visit from all corners of the globe.
Look at the U.N. as an example, educated important people fighting over nonsense just like here.
People will always fight and disagree and all you can do is try to limit it.
Compared to 2 years ago it is a much cleaner site and I am no longer afraid to recommend Farm Photo to others.
Don’t try for the biggest or the best, just have fun with your site and don’t let the people who can not let the little things go bring you down.
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Hi Stu
Am only a relatively new member so don't know what the good old days were like I currently enjoy the site except for the obscene language and some members not adhering to the code of conduct regarding if a thread starts in a certain language it should continue in that language.
I would ask the members that use bad language does this make their point of view more important or what??????
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Stu Pocknee wrote:
I feel the pain :-\

The peer reviews have not been used responsibly. but I have also not backed up my threats to punish those who have abused them. I am thinking of the following idea.

1) Clear all current reviews.
2) Make the peer review authors visible.
3) Restrict the use of peer reviews for purposes of hiding offensive material only (pornography, obscene language)
4) Institute clear repercussions for abuse of the system.

Thoughts?


Excellent ideas Stu IMO 4 what its worth :-)

The above posters in this thread ALL make very good & valid points.

Regards,

TC ;-)
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To Arcane: Being a member only since 2006 / 2007 doesn't mean not knowing about the good old days. :-P I studied the history of this site very well before becoming a member and because of this, I think I know my stuff.
But I appreciate you being one of the few members having the balls to say their opinion openly. :-)
And that's the point: Perhaps making the PR public will make things even worse but as I don't see many struggles in the public threads but only in the anonymous PR I don't think so. You'll know not until having tried it.

To Stu:
1) When you clear the current reviews - what happens to the posts they are restraining with good reason?
2) I think we should try this as soon as possible.
3) I think restrictions won't help. What keeps you from saying someone is an idiot under the purpose of "offensive material"? The purpose "stolen" is important, too, I think.
4) Point 3) could be enforced by repercussions but I would not like to stand in your shoes when judging. ;-)
I think there should be a warning system - some kind of yellow-card for members who in total behave conspicuous e.g. by often using bad language, struggling, stealing pics but I have no idea how to pass judgement objectively.
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It's really sad we as a worldwide farming community cannot even get on together. It saddens me when you see people starting arguements and picking fights over a picture!!! How petty.

I for one think that FP should be renamed "The TC bashing site", TC I feel your coming in for a quite a bit of stick of unwarranted stick on the site. I for one value your comments

Maybe if the peer reviews weren't annonymous this would restrain people from being so agressive and rude on the site, we'd be able to see who posted the offensive material.

I agree with other replies. Any abusive / swearing then maybe it's time to remove the users, But they can just rejoin under a new user identification can't they?
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Stu a way to clean up the peer review system could envole just a justification, without a comment able to be made.
Example would be as follows
someone might post a picture they stole from another site so they can PR it as a stolen image without making a comment to provoke others then we all can contribute with no action required or agree with the review.
if we cant say anything might stop a few fights:-\
Thoughts on that idea?
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Hi Andy this for sure is an idea to be considered but isn't it sad if we only can get along with each other when we are gagged? :-( I don't want to believe that. I think we should try to use comments more responsible rather than preventing them.
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MB trac 1800 wrote:
Hi Andy this for sure is an idea to be considered but isn't it sad if we only can get along with each other when we are gagged? :-( I don't want to believe that. I think we should try to use comments more responsible rather than preventing them.


Unfortunately MB TRAC 1800 this doesnt seem possible with some people. Yes, you are correct, this is sad :-\
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that is sad i know. Another thing i might add is a swear filter could be used in as many languages as possible to try to discourage abusive comments. But i guess like most places people will just add a dot or alter spelling slightly to dodge it.
Yes we all need to voice opinions from time to time as MB said we can be a little more careful with what we write from time to time......all of us;-)
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TasCowboy wrote:
Unfortunately MB TRAC 1800 this doesnt seem possible with some people. Yes, you are correct, this is sad :-\

There are two sides of the story and both sides should rather stay quiet in case of doubt: Those who are offending others but also those who always are rubbing salt into old wounds -garbage in - garbage out. :-\
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Yes, you are right there & I am the first to admit that sometimes I am like a dog with a bone, that I wont let go.

However, it does work both ways & I am (despite what some others may say or think) not the sole guilty party involved :-[
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Folks we are missing the point

Was the original photo in this thread the last picture ever taken by the photographer?

Seriously though
Like the idea of not be able to post any comments with a peer review. This way the PR could be used for what's it meant for.

A method to enable the users (us) from removing porn from the site as we have previously seen. This way we can safetly surf the site with kiddies on our knee and trust that we as a community of farmers have enough common sense to keep the site clean.

Call me Nieve I always think good of people how about a message when all the users enter FP along the lines of

" We're all simply farmers from all over the world. We ask you to show respect to each other as fellow farmers. Let us not fight amougst ourselves, rather lets learn how our friends in other countries farm and please show respect for their ideas. We have enough battles with our governments, the weather and the tax man without fighting amoungst ourselves." I know I'm too idealistic

If it's pausible we could have an option where we translate this into the main languages used on the site. This way we wouldn't loose any of the meaning through translation.

thats my thought Dave " the idealist" Snoddy
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I also said it once, Farmphoto is almost a batllefield, there are so many fights on here, and the most Peers are so sad!.

I agree with Stu, make the names of the person witch peers a picture or texmassage viseble, this will make the reviewer think twice(I hope) before hé make's a peer to someone.

I don't care if the picture is stolen or not, aslong as the source is named, but I hate it if it's something like porn!

Perhaps susupensions are a sullotion, talking bull**** 1 week of suspension or something like that.

Greeting Niels Stams

We must remember there are also watching minnors (or how do you call children beneath the age of 14)to the site
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I don't know how I discovered FP. But what I do know is that I only kept coming back to it because I was interested in the photos and helpful comments. I only became a member recently so that I to could show some photos to FP members. Why does FP require Peer Reviews? Get rid of PR if it causes trouble. As for members posting offensive comments, get rid of them by having a report system in place, 3 strikes and your off FP. Regards to all, JDD.
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I have also followed FP since round year 2000, and I've noticed that people don't respect each other very much the last years.
FP has always been my favorite website, but I really don't like to read all the rubbish between the pictures.
If I'm not wrong, the "colourwar" was the first thing that made people get in a bad mood, and often You could read users write "Lets not start another colourwar". But today it seems like people try to get personal, and that's not good.

I still want to thank Stu for keeping up this great site ... It's not the sites fault that things not are nice in here
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Jon deere Dingle said this: get rid of them by having a report system in place, 3 strikes and your off FP

A nice idea tog et rid of PR, but 3 strikes and youre off FP, I don't think this is such a great idea, I think I know wo is going to get 3 points in 5 minutes so that is not a good option in my eyes.

I vissit this site since 2004, and I like it until a few months ago, since the "fighting" started.

Greetings Niels.
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Jon deere Dingle said this: get rid of them by having a report system in place, 3 strikes and your off FP

A nice idea tog et rid of PR, but 3 strikes and youre off FP, I don't think this is such a great idea, I think I know wo is going to get 3 points in 5 minutes so that is not a good option in my eyes.

I vissit this site since 2004, and I like it until a few months ago, since the "fighting" started.

Greetings Niels.
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I have another idea: When you post a thread anyone can comment on it. The member posting the thread should be able remove comments on his or her thread that are offensive. This way, FP does not loose members and it then becomes self policing by it's members ability to remove thread comments off the thread! Regards to all, JDD
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that is a nice idea, but I think this is also a bit a problem maker.
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i can remember that some of the members here were banned from the site for a week or so.

why not doing this certenly, if someone gets into a fight with an onther person?.

in the beginning it is much to handle, but in a month or so evrybody know it is SERIOUS, so they wont do it twice.

i think -taking the opportunity to speak away- is the only good solution.

®edpowe®
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oops :-[ posting twice again
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