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water in tyres?
to my father and me there is a long argument on water in the frontal tyres, my father says that this destroys the frontal axis because the weight particularly when the frontal arms are harnessed. I say when work in the field in seeding, in plowing etc. this is good there is weight in the front it's worth balancing the tractor and better holding in the eart.

it's important for me to hear your opinion on our dilemma and to say who is righteous me or my father.

sorry for the formulation, I will be happy to get reactions in simple English.

thanks
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here we do it all the time. and i agre with you father. it would not help with al longer life of your front axel. but tractors should be build to handel this extra bit of load and poots a lot of weight down on the ground and if you just drive a little carefull on the roads and avoyd the holes in the road it shoud not be a problem for you tractor. and your front axel would just be fine.
but if you poot extra front weigths on you tractor you would have the same weight on the front axel.
buttom line, i tink water in your tyres is a good option to get just that extra littelbit of weight on the ground for for instens plouwing or seeding.

regards Geoff
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In italy it's quite frequent, usually in summer during plouwing because the ground it's very heavy, first time i listened it was a new holland G 240, and sure that model had many problem in front axial even without water!!!:-(
But for the best performance it's necessary!
Bye, Alessandro.
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Pretty common thing here in Tassie, farmers use water in their tyres all of the time
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Is it wise to use water in modern radial tyres? I don't know anyone in my area that still uses water as weights.
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I'm with Lennart on this one fellas. I'm dead against water in any tyres. It's a pain if you have a flat, very heavy, messy and time consuming. Radial tyres are designed to flex, surely most people are running radials these days. Water won't let them flex, not to mention the loss of traction when they're as hard as they are. Use counterweights if you need extra weight, especially when you use a front end loader. :-\
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Hy asaf trifon,

at first, let me rember to very nice days in Israel. Exact two years ago we visit the grave of Ben Gurion in the Negev Desert!

Here in my German region Bavaria, no one use water in the tyres, exept companys who demonstrate here products. Our solution: a concrete front balast. My solution: a special linkage where I hang in the ballast with the front loader of an other tractor or mutch better a concret balast in a front hydraulics linkage!!

Best
Theo
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In the tractor manual from my past away Renault 145.14 `88 they suggest in heavy pulling implements connected to 3point hitch to fill 70% water and all weights in front and 40% water and all weights at back. I never fill the tyres with water in no one of my tractors because i`m litlle bit afraid for the differentials life. And something else that it takes some more discusion...i see the tractors with 4wd, his front wheels with engaged front differential the front wheels `runs` a 3% more than the back. Why it happens that??? Someones says that it helps for less soil compaction... whats yours opinion?????
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In tractors 4wd, I use 75% of water in all of the tires. Because the tire type that we used with high claw has little contact with the soil when it is dry.
But in some cases we had problems then in the crosspieces of the cardan that it works the front axis, had to remove the water, the tractor lost in adherence, but the mechanical problems ended. :-\
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thanks for the reactions, I am thinking that after the season of the seeding I will empty the water from the front wheels in the duration of the year the tractor is harnessed to the frontal arms then there's no need for the weight in the front.
:-)
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I know several examples where I have used tractors with water in radial tyres. Mostly when front / rear weights are not an option.

When digging potatoes c/w front topper we fill the front tyres with water to give more weight and grip. Also whilst using a front loader we have used water in the rear tyres to balance it better (make sure and put anti freeze in though).

Disadvantages are heavier tyres if you change them and increased tyre wear, but if you need better balancing it's an option
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my father drives me insane he denies it generall, in this month we seeding, Cultivatoring (:-\) and roling. between those works daily the tractor is working with front loader but he doesn't work hard every two days driving of a five minutes with weight of a half tone and sometimes removing some garbage in generality a really not hard work. while I am working with the roling and the front wheels jump in the air it's not a good situation right? then this is what happens when there isn't balance.
somebody please can explain this to my father. he is adamant thet water in the front wheels damaging in every situation
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Hi there to my opinion you people make a mistake about the weight because the front axle doesnt get extra weight to carry wen you fill the tyres because the tyres are already on the ground and the axle has nothing to do with that weight.
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With water in tires, the tires carry ONLY the tractor weight. the weight of the water is in the tire itself.
This means that you dont have to adjust air pressure to allow it to carry the extra weight.

with concrete as ballast, the tire pressure does have to be increased to carry the weight.

The extra weight is not carried by the axle.
However, the extra grip of the water in the tires, gives a higher strain on the driveshafts. On some tractor models, in certain situations, this can lead to mechanical problems.

The rotating mass of water filled tires can make it more difficult to steer at high speeds, due to the gyroscopic effect.

Tires should never be filled to more than 3/4: the other 1/4 needs to be air, to absorb shocks.

When using a front loader, i would personally not choose to fill the FRONT tires: front loaders put heavy force on the front wheels. When they are water filled, they have less capacity to absorb the shocks.
If there is a front loader anyways, i would use the front loader itself as ballast. ;-)
For rear wheels i dont see a problem
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Also weights in the rear wheels are no problem in fact putting the weights in the wheels is the best way for the tractor because he hasn't got to carry the extra weight. Water in the tyres is absolutly no problem the only thing is if you get a leak it is gonna be muddy.
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thank you very much for the answers, my father is still adamant :-\
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thank you very much for the answers, my father is still adamant :-\. but anyway I will not empty the water from the tyres until the end of the seeding season

regards,
asaf trifon
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Almost 100% of the bigger forestharvesters have water in there tyres fore stability, never notised any problems exept that it killes the pressuremeters(dont know the english word). The tires are filled to 3/4 with a mixture of salt and water(salt increases the weight and works as antifreeze). We also have it in the frontwheels of an MF 3060, the original frontweights was not heavy enough.
Vilhelm
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