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1000th Ursus C-385
This is the 1,000th Ursus C-385, seen on the production line
on 15th March 1971. Production of this model began in July
1969 (the same year as the Zetor 8011). Many people assume
that this was a licence built version of the Zetor, which is
untrue. These tractors were developed jointly, with Ursus
engineers spending three years in Czechoslovakia. This was
the result of an agreement signed between Ursus and Zetor in
August 1963.
Re: 1000th Ursus C-385
You forgot to add that UTB- Universal Tractors Brasov
(Rumania) built the MFWD axles.

Ursus didn't do much on their own: 1930-1960's: Lanz hotbulb
license, 1960-1970's: Zetor 4011 and 5511 license, 1980's
now: MF license. :-(

I wonder how big was their role in the UR2 range, because
engine and clutch housing are stamped "Zetor" in the
castings, but i have never seen "ursus" in the castings. Not
even on our own C-385 A..:-P
Re: 1000th Ursus C-385

I agree that Ursus didn't do much on their own, apart from
the following: a model built between 1915 & 1919; a 25hp
paraffin powered model, of which around 100 were built in
1922/23 (one of these was maintained in good working order
by its owner until 1968, when he handed it over to the Ursus
factory museum in exchange for a new tractor); the C-325
model, built from 1959-63; the improved C-328, built from
1963-67 and the improved C-330, built from 1967 until around
1990. I'm not particularly keen on the C-325/328. As for the
C-330, it is a tractor which I particularly dislike.
The C-45 (and the improved C-451) was a copy of the Lanz
Bulldog and was built from 1947-59. There were also plans to
build a new range of tractors at the end of the 1960s. A
number of prototypes wetre built (I posted a picture of one
earlier this year), but in the end Poland opted for a
licence from Massey Ferguson in 1974. Production of MF
models began in 1982. At the time, it was regarded as a
mistake by many Ursus workers (it was allegedly done for
political reasons), but after the fall of communism it
helped maintain sales in western European countries. Over
98,000 Zetor 4011s were licence built in Poland from
1965-71, many of which are still around today.
The 5511 was not built in Poland.

As for the UR2 range, it is fair to say that this is more
Zetor than Ursus. After all, the fact that it was developed
in Czechoslovakia (and not Poland) suggests that the Czechs
suggested this range in the first place (and not
vice-versa). I don't know what percentage of development
work was carried out by Polish engineers. The (excellent)
enngines & clutch housings were Czech, while the gearboxes
and 2WD front axles were Polish. There were two Polish
differences which I liked- the rearward opening doors, which
made it possible to drive with them open on hot days (as
well as making getting in and out easier) and the stalk
mounted headlamps. Not only did they look better, but they
were safer because they made the tractor look wider at
night. These headlamps were only used on the C-385, 385A &
1201. The remaining Polish UR2 models used Zetor headlamps.
(Having said that, I have noticed on the Zetor World website
a picture of a Zetor 10011 model fitted with Polish
headlamps!) Another advantage of the Ursus version was that
the 2WD models retained front suspension throughout their
production lives, while Zetor made this an option in 1976.
All in all, I consider the 8011/C-385 to be the second most
significant tractor ever built (after the Ferguson TE20). It
was years ahead of anything else available at that time. I
also particularly like the Zetor 4011- another design
classic. The Zetor 25 was also a modern tractor for its
Re: 1000th Ursus C-385
I think the headlamps had to do with legislation, on second
hand machinery pages in Czechia, lots of them have the
"stalk headlamps".

So, the MF license was to buy friendship with the enemy,
during the cold war ?? Politics have ruined many good ideas,
Zetor finished a prototype of a direct injected Diesel, the
Zetor 30, in 1949 but the communist Central Office decided
that they wanted a higher power tractor, so it wouldn't get
into production....:-\ If it DID got into production, the
models 2011 and 2511 wouldn't have existed, i think....
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