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Does that means that Renault is going to deseapear as a
tractor builder ?

Sad :-\
Re: Claas Celtis
Renault was bought by Claas few months ago. Now, Renault
keeps their colors in France and other countries where
Renault was a important dealer. In other countries, Renault
will be sold under the Claas colors. I think Renault will
disappear in few years in the Claas group.
Re: Claas Celtis
It's a pain to loose such a centenary brand, and I guess all
Renault factories, like Le Mans, will be stopped in few
years for financial reasons.

It's a Pity, and i'm deeply concerned of all poeple who work
directly or not with em.

Re: Claas Celtis
The factory in Le Mans will remain. The plan is to sell
of those tractors in the future.
Claas runs several plants all around Western Europe, East
Europe and the USA. Each plant does it's product. Metz
builds bailers, Saulgau the hay equipment, Omaha the Cat
Lexions, Harsewinekl the combines and choppers... and Le
Mans will build the tractors.
In my opinion the workers and dealers of Renault tractor
will all benefit from this merge. In a lot of countries it's
easier to sell a Claas than a Renault... and if it's only
for the fact that Claas has the bigger dealer network.
Selling more tractors (and that's the goal) will give more
work for the Le Mans plant.
According to the Claas website, Renault will remain in the
UK, France and DK.

And as long as Claas is private owned (and not for sale) and
making profit, they'll be around, trying to make top of the
line equipment.
Re: Claas Celtis
Dear Sasha,

I do not share your optimistic view of the situation,even if
I hope you're right.

For some reasons which not have to be discussed here, the
production costs are far higher in France than in the rest
of Europe, and I'm sure that our friends of Claas knows what
one plus one are...

I'm affraid that it will burry our hopes to keep some orange
tractors built here... :-\
Re: Claas Celtis

The only chance they have, in my opinion, is to go up in
quality as much as possible. "Cheap" you have to build
outside of Europe...
Germany isn't any better in production costs than France -
and still there is relatively small companies surviving
here, that have specialised in "top of the line" (BMW, MAN,
Porsche, Miele, Elac - to name a few). Claas is one of them
and had record profits last year, with combines and choppers
made in Europe.
They also placed a bid on Valtra after purchasing Renault
that wasn't that far off from what Agco finally paid.

If you get to know the kind of people that work at Claas and
live in this area, you witness they don't like to do things
"about right". If they build a house, they build a fortress
and have it 50 % paid before the first stone is set.

The "ways" inside Claas are small and quick. They are way
more flexible than others and don't have to listen to their
stock holders to go for max profit no matter the future
condition of the company.

What I see as one of the major problems of Claas is the lack
of dealers in the US.
The markets besids Europe and the US want more Claas
machines than they can afford.

Anyways.. better for Renault to be bought by Claas then by
I have heard rumors they are going to shut down Dronningborg
soon if they don't increase their sales dramatically.
Re: Claas Celtis
Thats interesting that claas also bid for valtra - I think
they would have done better if they had not bought renult
and had bought renult instead. The valtra brand was already
closly linked to claas with an almost identical dealer
distrabution in the UK it would have made more sense.

James Biggar
Re: Claas Celtis

There is one situation that prevented this:
Claas does 20 % of it's turnover in France - and mainly
through Reanault dealers. Any questions left what would have
happened, if Renault would have been bought by Agco instead?
I think the plan was to buy both Renault and Valtra. But
there is always somebody who has more money than you...
Re: Claas Celtis
The production of Claas/Renault tractors remains in France.
Claas had to make promisses to the France governement to
provide jobs in France.
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