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This thing was jumping across my poha (cape gooseberry) this
morning. Hope she was eating other bugs instead of the
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Hi Ken,

could it be, that your cape gooseberry is the same as my
andes berry in my greenhouse ?

Greetings from Bavaria
to the other side of the world

Hi Ken

Yes, dont worry is a Mantis Religiosa, a very good insect
that only eats others not plants. I guess the MALE Mantis
doesnt opine the same, since tghe FEMALE eats him too :-D
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Hi Theo

Physalis peruviana os the botanic name for cape gooseberry.
Yours sure looks like mine, only bigger!
There are many Physalis including tomatillo used in Mexican
salsa. Many of them come from the andes area and peru but
usually the Andes berry is a rubus species and looks like a
long black raspberry.

I found this from bot/boga/exo_phy.html

Die Physalis ist in SYNdamerika hei-
misch. Sie geh?rt wie die Tomate zu den Solanaceae, besitzt
aber geschmacklich keine Verbindung. Die Beere ist sattgelb,
kirschgro˜ und von einem gelblichen bis hell-
braunen, trockenem Kelch um-
geben. Darin ?hnelt sie der Lam-
pionpflanze (re), die bei uns als Zierform zu finden ist.
Physalis schmecken erfrischend und dabei leicht sYN˜ und
s?uerlich zugleich.

Hope it means something <G>

Rubus glaucus is usually Andes berry bjornbar.htm shows a picture but text
is in Swedish.

In anycase, they all taste very good!

I worked in Munich many times and miss Baveria.
Maybe next year I will bring my wife since shes never been
there. Usually I stay in Unterhaching but my friend moved
a little south of there. used to work in Rudolfzel alot
too. Which city are you near?
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Hi Carlos
Well when I got near this mantis she jumped at me and
wanted to bite me so I decided it must be a she!

Take care
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Hi Ken,

I live about 75 miles north on Munich near Straubing on the
last hills before the Danube plain is spreading. If you came
to munich again, you will be wellcomed, as other Farmphoto
visitors also (also Dutch and Flemish!!!!). The Webmaster
and Cathy Dasher visit me already.

What have you worked in Munich?

As a greeting I attach a picture
of the centre of Munich

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Yes, I can certainly attest to Herr Theo's excellent
hospitality! I hope it will not be too many years before we
can return...
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Hi Theo,
Thanks very much for the picture. It makes me a little
I had many great times in Munich. Just now I am smoking my
pipe which I bought at Huber pipes acrose from the
glockenspiel. I was a consultant for Siemens and helped them
with media relations in different countries. They would
send me many places in the world. Also I was there many
times for TRW and often stayed closer to where you are in
Swabish gmund (SP?)
I always tell my wife how beautiful it is to drive around
the country side. Even going to Berlin I would take small
country roads when I could. Hope you can visit Hawaii one
of these days too!
Thanks again
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We all need to get together for an Offline party!
Last week one of my visitors here was a guy I talked too
almost weekly for more than 10 years. First time we met
face to face.
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Yes, we should have farmphoto convention. I'm sure the
travel costs would be tax deductible ;-)

We just have to find a suitably photogenic location to hold
it. I love to travel so anywhere is good for me!
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why don't you have it in the netherlands Stu? :-D great
uppertunity (or something like that) for you to learn Dutch
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Convention would be great and I have no objections to the
Netherlands but it's much warmer in Hawaii! Besides, I get
resident discounts on rooms and take folks around on
photographic safaris!
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Hi Ken,

I don´t understand TRW??, and I don´t live in Swabish gmund.
It is far a way from me. May be you remember Regensburg,
because there is also as Siemens location. Regensburg is
only half a hour away from my 40 people village. A fiend of
us works their in the siemens automotiv department.

That all farmphoto visitors should have a meeting is a good
idea. And I thought about a meeting at the Agritechnica, but
I´m too far away from Hannover and I was bounded by a train
ticket. With out a doubt, the nature is very worth to
photograph. But I would prefer farming.

I´m interested in other ways of farming and how farming can
go on without becomeing an industry. This is a great
question for me, because everywhere farming is sacrificed to
the industry. In my opinion, not only the product of the
farmers has a value but also his work, because we keep the
nature and our plants produce oxygen ...

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Hi Theo

TRW is a company that makes automotive parts although it is
many other companies like Siemens. They have or had about
15 factories around Germany. I have been to the Siemens
plant in Regensburg some years ago. It is a beautiful area
where you live.

Part of what I do for the University is what you are
interest in. I look for ways to help farmers develop markets
for their products and other sources of income from farm
produced crops or products. It is the same problem in every
country I think.
Also finding ways to make farms profitable so that chidlren
want to stay in the family farm instead of moving to the big
city to be doctors and lawyers etc.
All of us come from a common agricultural heritage and can
learn from each other.
Your growing the gooseberry is great. We pay $7. per pound
for them and cant get enough even for local markets. Its an
example of my current project to unify markets and
production so that they grow together. Also, for a much
greater diversification of crops. The average in Hawaii is 2
crops on a farm but I think it should be 12. In many Asian
countries farmers grow 5 or 6 crops commercially.
Here on an island we import most of our foods and there is
no reason for it.
Farmers grow and sell 30,000 pounds of lemons but import 3.4
million pounds.
These are numbers I try to change by helping farmers get
Usually I create a market with products from my farm and
then when someone else can fullfill the market, I move to
the next crop. It has worked well for a few years. Also we
include other factors. We have 70 different types of jam or
jelly or hot sauce and pickles made with crops from my farm
at an area store. We also include farmer to chef
connections, Agritourism and Slow Food movement (from Italy)
in what we promote to farmers. America is far behind Europe
and Asia in many of these areas and in the appreciation of
the rural lifestyle. Only now is it
Beginning to understand what agtourism is in other
countries. There are some interesting studies comparing
Umbria and parts of japan that can be applied to anyplace.
Anyway I could go on and on about this. I asked Stu to have
an agtourism section at some point. Where we can share
photos of tour groups and people on the farm. Farm
stands, B&B and other parts of what we all do in addition to

Take care
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Hi Ken,

I grow goosberry´s only in our privat garden. There we have
a greenhouse with potatos, paprika and one goosberry. This
Goosberry grows like weed so I cut nearly all branches. May
be I harvest 50 fruits in the late fall. About 30 miles
behind the hozison is Regensburg situated. I think it is a
town like Asians and Americans think that it is Germany.
When you have lived in Germany, then you know Germany is
olny for one or two weeks in June as green as in the

It is also here in Germany a problem that farmer children
don´t like to continue fathers farm. The development is
going on in huge steps an goes in to sizes who was
unimaginable a few years ago. I think it is no good when
farming becomes an industry.

Diversification in farming is a great problem. I only grow
sugar beets, potatos and wheat. On all crops the money is
earned not at the farmer but at those one how make bread,
coca cola or starch...

My farm yard is about 4 acres with apple, pear, plum ....
trees, about 30 in number. And what I do with the yield who
grows like every one want´s? - without pesticide and
fertilizer?? I have sheeps als lawn mower and they feed all
the fruits. I alway thougt about to make a little bit money
with the highly biological sheeps and fruits. But I´m a
people who likes more to give away this products and not to
sell it.

You tell about the lemon yield ... I think a product today
has only a value when it is transported over 1000s miles or
when it is buy cherrys in the winter and go skiing in the
summer - a crazy world. And the next is that farmers are
handled from the politican as eating can bought all over the
world. My reflektion is that people need at first the air
the breath, at second a wather to drink and at third
someting to eat. And a many range away, they need a car, a
vacation and a radio. I think the time will come that
everyone has a air meter on his nose and he have to pay
because of his air consumtion. Let´s hope that on our fields
is than also a airmeter to get mony because of our work!!!!

It was also a long reflection for me to offer agro turism.
But my talent are nice things and not to make money.

Here in Germany there are many efforts to gound farmer
market (see farmphoto # 1487). The problem a BMW employee
(we have two big BMW plants near by) works under 40 houres a
week, with 40 days of vacation and a farmer should work more
as double times without a vacation. Is this the right way of

Greetings from a dusty and grey
Bavarian November day

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Ken, Theo and everybody of planet farmers are right about
agriculture dilemma. The young farmers going away of farm is
because of relatively low income elasticity of demand for
all foods means that food declines as a share of personal
consumption expenditures and as a share of GDP. However, the
relativity high elasticity of demand for convenience and
other attributes means that consumption of prepared foods
and food consumed away from home increases. In Brazil, the
real value of corn decrease about 2% per year and this
decreasing is similar to others commodities. Data from Ken
country, USA, show which foods consume at home declined from
about 26% to 7% of consumption expenditurs at 1950 to 1988
period. This is not good to small farmer which produce to
urban family consumer, but is better to “commercial farm”
specialized which produce minor different products to urban
The continuos yield increase in “commercial farms” to do
decrease prices and reaching directly the small farmers. The
Ag tourism is one solution to keep farmer income but not
increase that. The transference of the income to urbans is
continuous and again...again..., because the foodstuff have
real price decreasing year after year... to BMW workers,
according Theo.

Greetings from sunny land, Brazil
Flavio Gassen
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Hi Theo,
I think we can see from my notes and Flavios and yours that
we share many of the same troubles with farming. I think we
can look at the same ways to solve some problems. Maybe it
is not to fight back to big corporate industry farms but
To work to make strong network of small family farms around
the world.
We can use internet a s a tool. You mentioned

>> On all crops the money is
earned not at the farmer but at those one how make bread,
coca cola or starch...<<

This is very true, we call it O`value addedOL since I grow
many types of fruit,
Maybe 100 types, we produce many items with them. Just
small amounts fro a few stores but this business is always
growing. We now have over 70 types of fruit product in one
store here as test market. When crop is ready then we
just make something with that crop. Sometimes only 12 jar
but sometimes up to 700
Jar. I just sent 500 jar of syrup to Japan. Also some to
Nicaragua. They like our hot sauce. Some of most profitable
farm here in koan is smaller than your farm.
My farm is only 10 acres compared to US mainland which is
much bigger average.
In kona average coffee farm is more small than 10. Fifty
years ago families
Worked together on the farm to make money but these days
children have no interest as you know. My neighbors are
average age of 82 and work everyday in the farm. Maybe their
children and grandchildren come one or two times each year
only to help them. The children do not want the farm after
their parents die so they are sold and become golf course
or hotel. I donOt want to live by golf course. I never
played it and have no desire.
I also have same trouble as you. I give away much fruit at
tasting and test market
But advantage is people taste fruit and cannot bring it back
to their country
So often they buy jelly or poster I made. You can see it at Also there you can see some
label of fruit product we make and follow link to If you make something you can sell it at
this online store.

On my farm, some section is organic with no pesticide or
chemical fertilizer but other section I still use chemical
fertilizer since cost of organic one is too high
For farmers here because extra shipping cost. Coffee like
to eat a lot of nitrogen
And we have no soil, only rocks for trees to grow in because
it is very new island.
Hawaii agriculture is very interesting. Because I gave away
many fruit. People want more even when I donOt have them so
they offer to pay more for them
Than usual selling price. I am not good salesman too and
always give some extra when they buy fruit. Yesterday
hotel person drove 4 hours just to get 40 kilo of fruit
because I could not deliever it . Plus they pay for it.
Ah its good idea for airmeter. Our plants produce and clean
the air so we should charge city people for it !

Because we are island we cannot transport so far away
without big cost.
Some companies still want to buy it like our Kona coffee
which is one top world
Coffees and most expensive one. Still for fruit and small
crop we found that selling the high quality and organic part
was very good. Local hotel and restaurant want good quality.
I am like you, my project started and I gave away many
fruit but people always want to buy more of it and jelly so
it became small home business. Still I wake up 4am each day
and work until I fall asleep
On my co
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Hi Flavio,
You are rigth about the dilemma we face as farmers around
the world, especially with small family farms. ItOs why to
develop small speciality crops and markets is very helpful.
Looking at putting together that with agtourism and slow
Is very important. There will also be a small segment of
the population in almost
Every country that wants to have the higher quality and is
willing to pay for it.
All of these things are not for everyone and like Theo, I
have trouble when it comes to selling some things but I know
I have to at times. Each area where we live has some
strength and weakness to its agriculture. I think to have a
network of people to share these things is important.
Carlos who uploaded a few pictures here and I have talked
about it and many fruit trees. He lives in Rio and we met in
tropcial fruit forum. Maybe next year I will come to see you
and him. Anway He is looking to develop small markets for
the unusual fruit. Your country has some of the most
unusual fruit in the world
And I think to develop these will be very good for small
farmers. People around the world do not know about these
fruit yet but They could and in 10 years they could enjoy a
new taste that they never dreamed of and bring income to the
farmer and the country. If I had many hectares of coffee in
brazil, I would take them out and plant jaboticaba and
rheedia braziliensis <G> Just like I take out
Coffee here and plant more fig and berry because it is what
chefs want to buy.
Instead of one or two or three crops, I base my farm on 12
main crops with many more small ones.
These crops are chosen because they can be harvested at
different times of the year and spread the need for labor
out so that it is not needed all at once as with coffee
here. When I figure out cost of production for a crop, I
found that the standard crops here sell for under the cost
to produce them. No wonder children do not want to work in
farming. They could not have time to watch TV and play
nintendo then! So in the space of 4 coffee trees which
produce $100. in coffee,
I found my lemon produce $140. , figs $238. and loquat $350.
in the same space.
Coffee has been an important part of the culture here for
more than 100 years so people do not like to hear it when I
say take out your coffee and plant fruit.
Less than 10% of the fruit sold in local markets and served
at restaurants is produced locally so it is a big chance for
farmers here.
Also because we have so many unusual fruit, perhaps more
than Brazil and SE Asia, we can use that to our advantage as

Anyway its fun to work on all of this and be able to grow
and eat such things.
Take care
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